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The OT: Scorpio

April 5, 2017


Digital Foundry Interview (and tons of links in the comments, thanks, Zos!)

He loves German beer!

@digitalfoundry will have an exclusive Xbox Scorpio reveal on @eurogamer this Thursday at 2pm UK / 6am Pacific.

Thanks for the heads-up, Zos.


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  1. April 6, 2017 9:38 am

    DF article is getting overloaded. Windows Central, who originally leaked the specs would be unvieled, made a quick and easy summary:

    Long story short: Purely specs released, they are essentially in line with what announced previously (remaining specs reveal no bottle necks). 12GB GDDR5 with high memory bandwidth is awesome. For reference, the just released (700-800$) 1080 TI from Nvidia is 11GB.

    They didn’t demo any new games, but showed how old Forza build (not 7) took advantage of hardware. No developer optimization and it ran 4k native, locked 60FPS and used about 65% of memory.

    So far so good, now they have to deliver on games (and integrity of hardware).

  2. April 6, 2017 9:48 am

    Summary from DF direct. Biggest other details, they said the console is very form factor, uses vapor cooling and unlocked. Essentially, unlike the PS4 Pro, which requires developers do their own work to optimize for pro, scorpio will improve visuals and performance immediately (even back compatible games). This solves what has been the biggest problem with the PS4 pro imo.

  3. RoBBins permalink*
    April 6, 2017 12:14 pm

    Damn, sounds very impressive. Didn’t they mention they are targeting a console price for this? Wonder if it’ll be over $500 with specs like that. I was thinking easily $600+.

    • April 6, 2017 12:40 pm

      Yeah, DF said they still think $499, but Microsoft would be operating at a loss. The storage device was not final, but it appeared to be a hybrid drive (SSD/HDD). Traditionally, these have fared well in tests against SSDs in xbox benchmarks, but still allow larger capacity. That is just another increase in price as well. Apparently the UHD bluray drive is also premium (not the cheapest possible etc). I think Microsoft almost has to put out a Scorpio at $499 and higher capacity drive at $599.

      In think the message Microsoft is going to drive home is that the Scorpio will improve everyone’s experience. Games will run better across the board, developers can optimize etc.

      They keep saying however that they don’t plan on this being their best selling xbox, so who knows. Maybe it will be $599 lowest, but that is the absolute most they can charge and I think it will substantially reduce the people who jump in.

    • April 6, 2017 12:49 pm

      You posted this while I was writing my comment below. A hybrid drive would be very smart. I still haven’t gotten to that point in the videos yet.

      Operating at a loss initially is what console makers are supposed to do to ensure that their hardware isn’t obsolete at launch. They subsidize for the first little while, and make up their losses in software sales, which now include all sorts of services that are plastered all over our Xbox dashboard.

      Yes, if the Scorpio is released at over $500 I will FOR SURE wait for it to come down in price. I probably (50/50) will wait even if it is released at $500.

      EDIT: For those who didn’t notice, I embedded the DF videos in the Post proper above. They are excellent in info. Absolutely worth watching (and rewinding because of the density of info).

  4. April 6, 2017 12:44 pm

    I like the road map. Bragging about the improvement of not just Xbox One, but 360 games is actually a really good sign, including the fact that 360 and One games will “load” faster because the additional unused RAM will now be used as basically a SSD (my terminology). This is the most significant evidence of the commitment to hardware refreshes as opposed to new console generations (which is something I have supported since its announcement). It means that I can wait with my hardware upgrade until I am ready.

    I like that Mr. Digital Foundry compared the release of the Scorpio with that of the 360 in the sense that it is “way ahead of” its contemporary PC hardware. Mediocre specs and the Kinect were my biggest complaints about the One. I was proven right in ALL my fears regarding that aspect of the failure of the One. And Microsoft realizes and is doing something about it. Mind you, if they release the Scorpio at a price above $500, then it won’t matter because that beautiful ratio of cutting edge hardware to dollars won’t be brought to the customer.

    I like the “hardware implementation” of Direct X 12 into the GPU to cut “thousands” of commands down to single digits.

    I like that the HD is “faster” but I am disappointed it isn’t SSD. (I haven’t listened/read enough to find out what kind of HD they have.)

    And that leads to my one negative. Since they are offering a 1 terabyte drive, they may as well have given customers a 256 or 512 SDD instead (probably similar price). Most of you have already filled more than a terabyte – meaning, an external drive is going to be necessary anyway. Why not have a Solid State Drive for the OS (and say one or two favorite games) and the necessary external drive for all other games?

    Finally, brilliant marketing (and WHEW)! They used not only their greatest critic, but someone who UNDERSTANDS the tech and can enthusiastically explain it to the customers in layman terms! Brilliant move!

    More as I move through the vids/docs. Good stuff.

    • April 6, 2017 1:19 pm

      The HDD in their unit was not final i believe. So it is subject to change before release. They may be watching reactions to 1TB used in test.

      From most benchmarks I have seen, Hybrid drives (when used in consoles) tend to fair very well against normal SSD (especially for price). It has been a while since I checked though (before I bought my external).

    • Blankman permalink*
      April 6, 2017 4:14 pm

      The 1TB HDDs in current XB1 offerings are the SSD hybrid drives where 250gb is dedicated to the OS. I don’t think MS will offer anything bigger because it would only serve to increase the retail price tag. Taking even a larger loss would be pretty stupid since they will already be taking it on the chin. They already confirmed that they will continue to support external HDDs. If you want more storage, you can purchase whatever capacity you wish from a third-party external drive manufacturer. I think that’s the smart move when MS first implemented that option rather than replacing the internal HDD that Sony has allowed with the PS4.

    • April 6, 2017 7:59 pm

      Yeah, as I mentioned above, the hybrid drive is a good way to go. And we shouldn’t need more than 256 of that for the OS (unless one is in the OS Preview Beta ring).

  5. April 6, 2017 1:03 pm

    There’s more. Because Dolby Atmos will be supported (on the One as well), MS needs to offer a headphone jack right on the console itself. Atmos takes regular headphones and gives the listeners a 7.1 experience. It is apparently unbelievable. We need to be able to access that upgrade without having to push sound through a middle hardware device.

  6. April 6, 2017 2:11 pm


    What Microsoft needs this E3:

    * $499 price point (at least base model).
    * Display the benefit of Scorpio on existing library + new games.
    * New IP (not just Forza, Halo, GOW).

    I’m interested to see how they further integrate with PC gaming, and how their various initiatives come to light.

  7. April 6, 2017 2:42 pm

    PS: Dat “old” Forza screenshot, running without optimizations at 4K/60 HAWT

    Official Xbox Site updated:

    Liquid cooling is confirmed.

    4K/60FPS DVR is a cool concept, curious about streaming on Beam in 4K/60FPS due to bandwidth usage. (update: apparently they are already testing this)

    • April 6, 2017 9:48 pm

      Well, people who live in Portland will definitely not be Beaming 4K, unless they plan on taking out a second mortgage…every other year.

      And IGN reacts to the announcement in their show UNLOCKED. Haven’t watched it yet, but I am sure they will highlight some of the interesting features/specs.

  8. Blankman permalink*
    April 7, 2017 2:01 am

    Practically every game site has expressed praise to MS for pushing the significant leap in console hardware specs. There are a bunch of salty Sony fanboys making snarky comments about purchasing a PC instead of buying the Scorpio. What those asshats fail to realize is the glaring fact that a comparable PC that has the same specs as the Scorpio will run them well over $1K. Haters are blinded by their own hate. LOL

    Back to the comments from the game sites; they’ve all pretty much expressed the collective concern if MS will have the games since Sony has an impressive library of exclusive titles. MS has got to bring it with new & exciting IPs. Just because a system can make a game run well & graphically impressive won’t necessarily sell the console. Although the experience will be much improved; it’s ultimately the games that will have people other than XB loyalists adopting the Scorpio. As many of us have already stated, the games need to be more than just Forza, Halo, & Gears (aka FHG). We only know of five games on the horizon that aren’t FHG: Sea of Thieves, Crackdown 3, Cuphead, Phantom Dust (huge meh), & State of Decay 2 (an even bigger meh).
    When Eidos was up for sale, that idiot, Mattrick, didn’t even bid for them. Eidos would eventually be scooped up by Square Enix. Imagine if MS owned the franchises of Tomb Raider, Hitman, Legacy of Kain/Soul Reaver, Freedom Fighters, Kane & Lynch, etc. What a complete missed opportunity. And let’s not even talk about MS not purchasing Nintendo. Sheesh.

    • April 7, 2017 2:16 am

      Luckily Eidos wasn’t scooped up by Sony. Sea of Thieves and Crackdown 3 have the potential to be system sellers, but they will have to deliver, and I just cannot see SoT doing that by next fall. With Crackdown, especially for the One (as opposed to the Scorpio) I have even less confidence. Microsoft is now on a policy of keeping their IPs secret until close to launch, so we can hope that that is what is keeping us from knowing about more games. Yes, the software line up is the only complaint the media are giving for the unveiling of the Scorpio. With Destiny 2 extras going the Sony way (for example), I can see it being a legitimate concern. The damage of Mattrick reverberates throughout the universe.

    • Blankman permalink*
      April 7, 2017 2:29 am

      Sea of Thieves HAS to be ready by Fall ’18, Suns. I can understand why it won’t come out this year, but next year is a must because MS can’t afford for another IP to be mired in alpha/beta limbo. When a game is in a long “testing” phase, the enthusiasm dissipates & doubt creeps in. Both of those aspects can be catastrophic. Dead on arrival kind of catastrophic. Lionhead was shuttered because that Fable MMO was in a perpetual state of testing. If it had released, it was bound for utter failure. Heck, gamers refused to play it for free! LOL The Fable IP had its run, but there are simply too many RPG clones that took away any sense of uniqueness that the franchise once had. Thus, the studio was shuttered before it could waste anymore money.

      In 2018, we’ll see yet another Forza & Halo. Yet another Gears will show up in ’19. I seriously hope that MS is playing their cards close to their chest because Sony will be paying for timed exclusives through the nose because they can’t compete with the Scorpio’s hardware power. MS is banking on the Play Anywhere initiative & convincing developers to come back to the Xbox brand.

    • April 7, 2017 3:08 am

      Agreed completely. And if Rare has until 2018, then they can do it. Even at that though, they will have to ramp up their work efficiency and maybe spend a little less time on social networks chatting about their time off. When I said next fall, I was actually meaning like 6 months from now, which at the pace they are going, seems impossible to me.

      And yes, Halo has been dead to me since #3 and I really wouldn’t care at all if there was never another Gears game as with the Smudge Monsters, they have managed to actually ruin the campaign (LOL). On the other hand, with a nice wheel, I could see myself thoroughly enjoying Forza, but that would mean I was playin’ by myself. So, yes, Microsoft really needs to unveil some outstanding new IPs.

      I don’t need a hardware refresh for Rocket League, Overwatch, Gears UE, Plants vs Zombies:GW (original), or Party Chat.

      If SoT is released in Fall 2018, then that might be the best time to freshen up. (could be their ad campaign)

      Have some male cartoon character all jaggies and framerate poor flies around him, with a girl lookin to walk away. The guy reaches for a bottle of Scorpio, sprays it under his arms and comes away all shiny, smooth walkin’ and fresh. The chick looks hot now and is smiling at him.

      “Freshen up. Scorpio. She will thank you.”

      You could make it game thematic, too. With different props from different games, in one ad, a Forza car, in another, Baird older, but more handsome, …better yet, show some cross platform character coming from a PS4 to the Scorpio. Bwahahahaha!

  9. April 7, 2017 9:45 am

  10. April 7, 2017 5:45 pm

    Oh snap, coming to xbox preview. I bet this will be shown at e3:

    This game is the latest craze in DayZ like games. In a lot of ways it solves the biggest barriers of entry for some folks. It is battle royal, where you are dropped on an island.

    Giant Bomb did a preview here:

    • April 7, 2017 6:00 pm

      I watched a LevelCap vid about it earlier this week, before it was announced to be coming to the Xbox. Hilarious, and if I could game like you, Cornie, and rED, I would be quite excited. As it is, however, I am just fodder to make someone else happy. Even if I camped, I wouldn’t be fast enough.

      Great that it is coming to Xbox, though. Love the Preview program.

    • RoBBins permalink*
      April 11, 2017 10:46 pm

      Been a long time player/fan of H1Z1, which is the first game to really push the battle royale-type games, and this looks WAY too slow paced compared to H1. Been keeping a close eye on it on Twitch, and it does look fun while playing solo or duo’s, but the strategic style of gameplay tones it down a lot. H1Z1 is all about fast-paced, constant gun battle gameplay.

      The big problem holding H1Z1 back is the bugs. The devs at Daybreak literally cannot release a patch for other bugs, without creating new ones. Really wish they would release that on console before Battlegrounds, but I’d most likely buy Battlegrounds if it ports over well. A BR game that is developed properly would sell like hot cakes on console. They’re a ton of fun.

      PS – Battlegrounds wins the argument when it comes to weapons. Tons of variety over H1Z1 having only 2 rifles, 1 shotgun and a few pistols. Not only that, but the attachments are what make the difference. In H1 you can’t add anything to your guns besides skins. Battlegrounds has scopes, quickdraw and extended mags, silencers, compensators and chokes (for shottys). All sorts of good stuff when it comes to customization. I really hope the Xbone version of this is good, because I’d really like to try it out.

    • April 12, 2017 2:41 am

      Beam is pretty sweet and I would enjoy watching you pwn in real time, RoBBins. πŸ˜€

  11. April 8, 2017 5:45 am

    Just got up from a four hour nap. Had this in my mailbox. This is the major difference between Ark and Conan – the intervention of god “helping the meek”.

    I don’t know the game to understand the kind of loot he is taking, but from the YouTube page:

    “Ring of Kings clan offline raided me twice on a server that doesn’t allow it. Dev’s did nothing, so i faked a rage quit, came back 2 weeks later, rebuild my old base, and farmed up a God.

    Their bounty: maybe a couple hundred T2 resources, and about 20 man hours worth of work.
    My Bounty/their loss: thousands of T2/t3 resources/thralls/buildings and over a thousand man hours of work.

    Lesson: Vengence is never fair, and don’t mess with people who have less to lose than you. Server admin’s should apply the same rules to everyone.
    So lets play fair now guys… or we can keep going this route. your choice.

    Good night Ring of Kings”

  12. April 8, 2017 6:28 am

    Sayonara Peter Moore. Outstanding interview!

    And this is hands-down my favorite Twitter account.

  13. April 9, 2017 8:43 pm

    Blank and I were just talking about this yesterday.

    • Blankman permalink*
      April 9, 2017 10:07 pm

      Yep, and those are the tame ones. Do another search & you’ll find some real harsh ones! πŸ˜‚

  14. April 9, 2017 11:42 pm

    Afraid to search. πŸ˜€

    Russel Westbrook did it. Got his record,

    and the Cavs lost again to the Hawks. They better hope they don’t meet them in the playoffs or they may not get the Conference title.

    And for the Zombie movie fans, this is supposed to be pretty good!

  15. Blankman permalink*
    April 12, 2017 3:10 am

    I binge watched the first season of Gotham in three days, & it was surprisingly good. The first season had a mix of drama & darkness to it which suits the world of Batman. There were a few things that Batman loyalists like me wouldn’t find acceptable, but I was willing to give it a chance. However, after the first episode of the second season, it got batshit crazy & I don’t mean in a good way. I was curious to see if the rest of the second season’s episodes continued down the path of ridiculousness & my fears were confirmed when I glossed over the brief show synopses. I can’t stand when shows find some success & the writers head down the path of stupidity. Well, I guess I won’t waste anymore of my time on that series. As far as I’m concerned, the first season was it. I don’t know how you’re continuing to watch it, Suns. πŸ€”

    On a more positive note regarding TV shows, the third season of Better Call Saul started on Monday. It’s a slow burn kind of good, and I can’t wait until they introduce Gus Fring because Vince Gill has planned for him in this season.

    • April 12, 2017 7:23 am

      I’m not a die hard Batman fan like most, nor do I know any of the comic canon (just the animated series of the 90s). Gotham took some major liberties with Barbara, so I figure there is some wiggle room for all the characters. There is no character or plot thread that I find more difficult to watch than Will’s wife. Freddy Kruger nails on a chalkboard. With her gone, I can relax and enjoy the incredible development of the The Riddler, The Joker, and The Penguin.

      There is lots that may be considered the stupidity of Gotham, so I am not sure which you are talking about. If it is the treatment of Gordon (i.e., getting involved with Cobblepot for the sake of the greater good) surely his “humanity” gets a pass if Superman is allowed to kill. So, I think it is mostly just up to our personal expectations, preferences, and which character traits we hold dear. I don’t care about Gordon, as long as they bring him back upright (perhaps greatly chastened by such foolishness, and so uncompromisingly clean since) by the time Batman comes to the city – which is still years away.

      Glad you enjoyed the first season, and especially that you were able to get past the portrayal/casting of Bruce. I thought the first season, even with Will’s wife Jaba, was better than all the Netflix Marvel sans Daredevil season 1. The problem with network TV is that when they get a hit, they realize they suddenly have to stretch the plot lines to make 7 seasons of 22 episodes a pop. Darn near impossible. The question is never if they will crap out, but when. Third and fourth seasons are notoriously the worst. Sometimes, however, they manage to screw it up even before then. For me, in season 2, the development of the Riddler is simply amazing and totally worth the time to sit through soap and dope.

      Can’t wait to get into BCS. I will post about each episode on the BCS page here. That is the extent to which I am anticipating it. It is hands down, the best written/performed TV currently running.

  16. April 12, 2017 3:17 pm

    Cool interview, also the dev kits for Scorpio have been shown off, pretty cool. The actual console will be a dev kit as well for anyone, just like XBONE

    EDIT: The Phil S interview is really great!

    • April 12, 2017 6:40 pm

      CNET Hot take on HDMI 2.1 from last month

    • Blankman permalink*
      April 13, 2017 11:13 pm

      Absolutely fantastic interview with Spencer! I’m glad that he’s at the helm. I guess we’ll know more about the Scorpio at E3 since he’s confirmed that there won’t be an unveiling event until the actual show conference.
      Many are suggesting that the retail msrp will be $399 similar to the PS4 Pro. While that sounds good to early adopters, I don’t see how MS can take that much of a financial hit per unit even though they’d still be losing money at $499. With all of the costly hardware components in the Scorpio, it doesn’t make sense.

    • April 13, 2017 11:52 pm

      Blank, even losing huge amounts of money on each unit makes great sense if they are interested in recovering some of their lost market share. Market share is worth FAR more than a couple of hundred dollars lost per unit. How many games does it take to make that back? If they are first party, to customers who would have otherwise not been able to buy the software because they bought a PS4? – darn near sixty bucks a game. With the MS coffers, they can withstand the storm to get through into paradise.

    • Blankman permalink*
      April 14, 2017 1:13 am

      Strategically, losing a $100 from the MSRP in efforts to capture more market share of “next gen” gamers makes sense, Suns. However, there is a perception that they’ll be putting out if it comes out at the same price point as the PS4 Pro. The perception that it’s an equal to Sony’s inferior console. That has to be taken into account because if MS instantly compares their new console to Sony’s answer to next gen, they’ll essentially be discounting the idea that the Scopio is “da shit.” A higher price point separates the Scopio from a now gen console to a truly premium next gen console. Hence, I believe that it’ll come in at $499. Does a $399 price point make it more appealing for consumers? Heck yeah! Then again, we’re already the converted mass. We’re already purchasing the Scorpio. MS has to convince the general gaming public that their console justifies the price point.

      MS has no doubt put a lot of money and efforts in market research, focus groups, & surveys to make these difficult decisions. There’s no doubt that MS has a sizable war chest. Just because they can, doesn’t necessarily mean that they will. This pressing question will be answered at E3.
      Shut up & take my money

  17. April 12, 2017 4:27 pm

    Self service digital games refunds!!


    —- Bought within the last 14 days
    —- Two hours or less play time

    DLC/Add-ons still require reaching out to Microsoft direct.

    It sounds like NO limits on the # of games you use this for. This could be a big saver for us on games we get burnt on. Will also promote less fear in pulling the trigger on things.

  18. April 12, 2017 4:33 pm

    Zos, thanks for the heads-up on these. This is fantastic news. We will have to be careful, though, 2 hours goes by in a heartbeat. Extremely good news.

    Looking forward to the Phil Interview.

    And the reason to buy a Scorpio.

  19. April 13, 2017 12:33 pm

    Will be shown first at E3, no reveal prior.

    “Ultimately, we know you care most about great games, whether they be exclusive, multiplatform, independent or AAA. We are proud of the diverse lineup of games coming this year that will only be playable on Xbox One and will play better on Project Scorpio. We designed Project Scorpio to be the best console to play the blockbuster multiplatform games from our publishing partners, made it easy for recently released titles to upgrade to true 4K and for beloved, backward compatible titles to play better than ever before.

    I think “best place to play multiplatform” won’t be enough to move lots of units, so hopefully some more (good) 1st party content.

    It seems like they are prepping the platform to be a great for developers, but making games takes a lot of time. We may not see any progress for 2-3 years (outside of the biggest publishers who put out games on a 12 month cycle it seems lol)

    • April 13, 2017 6:09 pm

      Agreed. Unless MS has some secrets, it will take two or three years for the content to come down the pipe. Creating a system that is easy to build games for is very important. These are all good steps forward. Microsoft should probably go the extra mile and shut down the Sony exclusive content/support stuff for the multiplatform games, if not outright secure exclusive, extra content (and not in the form of what they got for The Division and Evolve).

      And just a heads-up, I’m going to a basketball game on Saturday afternoon (JST), so I will miss Friday night (PST) gaming altogether. Hope to be there for Saturday night, though…with bells on.

  20. Blankman permalink*
    April 13, 2017 11:19 pm

    Wrote a lengthy reply and wouldn’t you know it; FU WordPress. Anyways, I can understand why you’re sticking it out with Gotham, Suns. As a Batman fan, I can’t allow myself to partake in the outrageously written stories past the first season. The purist in me won’t allow it. LOL I did like the “origin” story of the Riddler (Edward Nygma), but even that went nutty. Sheesh, I had so much more that I wrote, but I simply don’t have the energy to re-type it. πŸ™

    • April 14, 2017 6:01 am

      Kenny, I probably miss your long posts more than you do. πŸ˜₯

  21. April 14, 2017 5:31 am

    I am bringing it down here because this is a long one. πŸ˜€ Second, great pic!

    First, let me state that because Phil has repeatedly referred to the Scorpio as a “premium machine”, and refused to offer the price, I think it will be at least $499, and I won’t be surprised if they are stupid enough to ask for $599.

    Having said that, I disagree with your point about the perception that a $399 price would make the Scorpio appear as equal to the PS4 Pro. I think console purchasing consumers are smarter than that. Car consumers, no. Many people don’t have a clue about cars and will buy something just for the color, or because they like the way the side mirrors look. Ridiculous. For game consoles, however, with the exception of the Christmas presents that mothers buy for their sons (without asking them which they want), everyone will know exactly what is “under the hood”. Very few will think that the PS4 Pro is as good as the Scorpio, especially if MS does any marketing at all. All it would take is one prime time run of well designed ads to break through any customer ignorance. But the fact is, console purchasing consumers aren’t ignorant. To them, the only thing that overrides the importance of specs is the library of games (and for a few others, their friends’ platform of choice). That is the reason MS lost all their market share this current generation. They even had the games, but Resolution Gate single-handedly took them down.

    NOTE: On the other hand, having a machine that is too expensive will override the desire for more power. There is a point where gamers don’t care about the specs or future potential. Their budget is their budget.

    Here are the reasons MS should drop that shit like its hot, at $399.

    1) Any fence sitters will just buy it. At 499, I will, but probably not until they can prove that they have a must-have game (that I like), that plays and looks much better even with my existing monitor. At 399, I don’t care. I will buy it for the future and the loading times.

    2) An additional XX dollars that they will have to eat will be made up for by the software AND all the old Xbox Ones that are given away (or put on the market for real cheap) to friends and families, who might otherwise never have even bought a console, of any kind. Instead, suddenly they have this amazing Xbox One that they got for free, so why not spend 70 bucks a year for Live? Live Subscription fees to MS are all gravy as the current customers are paying the costs and more already). That is a automatically recurring revenue, above and beyond the games! Of course, that assumes no one in the world would ever buy any TV/Movies from the Xbox store. If they did, that too, would all be gravy, revenue they never would have had.

    3) Even PC and PS4 gamers and would buy it at that price. It is a dev kit in a box. It is better than a PC three times its price. It is too cheap to pass up, and it will have cross-licensing (any little excuse gamers can muster up to buy a sexy machine).

    4) Developers would see that there are a lot of Xboxes out there again, and would be inclined to do more for the platform.

    I am sure you are right about all the money MS has spent on market research, focus groups, and surveys. And they are all effing morons. It is exactly those idiots that lost them this generation in the first place. So, while MS has done all this research, they shouldn’t have.

    The only thing they need to realize is that until the Wii (and possibly the Cube), all previous generations of game consoles were sold at a financial LOSS for the first 2 years or more. Microsoft understood that for their OG and the 360, and even with the RROD, the 360 far made up for any losses they incurred. Selling the hardware at a loss was how they were made because people had the common sense to realize that it doesn’t take a lot of license royalties to make up the loss, AND within a year or two, the factory gets paid off and the parts make manufacturing prices come down into the black anyway.

    I am not being prideful in saying that if they had come to any non-fanboi, multi-generational console consumer when they designed the One, (pick me!) they would have built another 8 year machine (like the 360), they wouldn’t have lost any customers in the transition, and they would have grown their install base even further. I can say that because I called them on every piece of their shit from the minute their specs were announced through to their unveiling (i.e., 4 year max specs, price too high, bullshit Kinect with (perceived or real) privacy issues which cost all the money that should have gone into graphics and memory).

    If they release the Scorpio at $599 (a distinct possibility given Phil’s words) it will hardly sell. If they release at $499, it will sell modestly, but will do little to increase market share, at least not very much in the first year. If they sell at $399, they won’t be able to keep them on the shelves for 6 months and maybe even longer. Gamers will flock to the platform, and our multiplayer lobbies will finally be flush again, which in turn, will have us gaming more because there will be active communities. That in turn, will have us buying more games again. And they will make up their money within 2 years, and then will have recaptured the market, to make billions into the future.

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