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Going Back To E3 (2016)!

June 10, 2016

Kenny Heading to Comic Con

Zos suggested we make an E3 page, so here it is! All your E3 announcement specific stuff can go here. And I could not decide which image to use, so I am using both. (NOTE: Please keep all non-E3 stuff in the Weekly OT Thread.)

3d_movie Kenny

  1. June 10, 2016 6:14 pm

    Zos dropped these links in the OT Thread, but I am bringing them over here to prime the pump.

    This was one of the new games announced last year^^^.

    In response to Agents of Mayhem, gamers win! But here’s the thing. It isn’t the gorgeous art design, the tried-and-true gametypes, or the wonderfully dynamic and varied gameplay offered via 21 characters that makes Overwatch one of the best games of the present and for the foreseeable future. It is the fact that it is made by Blizzard and it is polished like Queen Elizabeth’s Silver, daily, constantly, and to a mirror-like shine. Yes, it has been out less than a month, but is anyone going to dare say that Blizzard is just going to abandon it after a year?

    After all the BS that we have put up with developers that either don’t have the time/resources or can’t be bothered, I am done looking for new games that infuriate me because of bad netcoding, or stupid game design decisions that the devs refuse to admit and change.

    Overwatch rewards time and effort with progressively richer gaming experiences. I’m done playing broken. Well, I might get BF1, if it is good – been listening to Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History on WW1, and now I want to play that game!

    LMAO! I couldn’t even finish that paragraph before I caved!

  2. Herandar permalink
    June 10, 2016 10:04 pm

    DICE supported BF4 up until this year. BF1 will be supported for a while.

    • June 10, 2016 10:12 pm

      Yes, I temporarily forgot because they released it in such a broken state. As I have stated here many times, they ironed out really, all of the bugs. It is darn near as polished as a game that complex can be. I just couldn’t be as effective in it as I was in the previous versions. Maps and player count weren’t a bug, but also served to diminish the fun for me. Good news about BF1 is that they are apparently cutting all the attachment “rpg” stuff way, way back, which would make me very happy.

      Hey, I saw you were playing PvZ:GW2. What do you think?

  3. June 12, 2016 5:49 pm

    I have time until tonight but TitanFall2 and BF1 looked amazing. In fact, EA had a strong showing of games for such a brief press conference

  4. June 12, 2016 6:12 pm

    • June 12, 2016 6:25 pm

      Titanfall 2 appears to add a grappling hook and a lot of pretty. The parkour from the original game seems to be enhanced by this, but I don’t see much more added to the gameplay. It is still a pass for me at this stage because all of the rest is just more of what I got tired of.

      Battlefield 1, however, isn’t going to have to do much more to have me all over it. It looks incredibly visceral, and one thing that the BF games do is deliver on their promises in the animation/beauty department. If the gameplay is tight enough (with their massive sandboxes I don’t expect it to be perfect), it will be very difficult to just say “no” to it. If they bring back BC2 levels of destruction (which they promised and didn’t deliver for BF3/4), then, it could easily be a 500+ game.

    • June 12, 2016 11:18 pm

      Apparently they are gonna have an hour+ of gameplay for BF1 today. From what they were saying, buildings are destructible like BC2.

    • June 13, 2016 12:11 am

      Apparently, everything can be destroyed. That is great news.

  5. Herandar permalink
    June 13, 2016 8:48 am

    I wouldn’t put too much stock into anything xFactor says. He seems more interested in name-dropping celebrities in the little bit of that video up above that I watched than the truth. The only BF youtuber I trust is Luetin. He is critical and anti-hype. And this video is much more worthy of your time and attention:

    • June 13, 2016 11:26 am

      Always open to new sources. Thanks for the heads-up, Herandar!

  6. Herandar permalink
    June 13, 2016 5:48 pm

    I always suspected the pixels generated by my Xbox were sub-standard…

    “Highest-Quality Pixels” 🙄

    • June 13, 2016 6:34 pm


      Hey, breaking the cycle of “generations” is a great idea (depending on price). MS has to follow through, however. They can’t just drop this new one and then wait three or four years to refresh the line. Otherwise, they are just the same as Valve with the “Episodic” game releases for Half-Life 2.

      I am excited for this new model, and again, depending on the price, will look forward to picking one up at some point – or waiting patiently and picking up the successor for even higher quality pixels at the same price.

  7. June 13, 2016 6:58 pm

    They had some cool things to unveil, or further unveil, and then some stuff just rang flat.

    Minecraft (YOUTUBE) fans have so much to look forward to (judging by Carmack’s description from inside the virtual world – but seriously, they do).

    Sea of Thieves (YOUTUBE) looks fantastic for what it is. I can see Kenai and his crew having all sorts of adventures on the high seas.

    The announcement that Ark:SE is going to be CROSS LICENSE is great news, and hopefully speaks to a 1:1 updating process for the two versions. Survival of the Fittest, please.

    Gears of War 4 (YOUTUBE) did nothing for me. Nothing at all. More of the same but with less story. If I spend any money this fall, it will be on BF1 or some other unforeseen surprise.

    Bunch of fun looking games in ID (YOUTUBE), including Stardew Valley (which I probably won’t play, but am very glad it is coming).

    Halo Wars 2 (YOuTUBE) is also the only thing left that I would want to do in that universe. I am DONE with that franchise.

    State of Decay 2 (YOUTUBE)is intriguing….if it is more than just 4 player co-op.

    Killer Instinct, Tekken, MEH! Dead Rising – looks fun…for a day.

    And…that’s about it. Kenny called it the worst MS Keynote ever, but I don’t think it even came close to all those NFL/TV Kinect, XBOX launch fiascos. Not even close.

    BUT, where was “cloud computing”, orb collection game? Doesn’t work? Surprise! Cloud just so much….vapor?! Surprise!

    Edit: Cut some other stuff. Doesn’t need to be said.

    • June 13, 2016 8:35 pm

      While I agree the lack of any game play is indeed an upset, I don’t think we can call it vaporware (yet). They did announce today that it is going to be multi-plat and cross play enabled.

      I think the game will come out… but whether or not they make good on the promises of the reveal, we will see.

    • June 13, 2016 8:44 pm

      I think Crackdown will still come out, but the “Cloud” thing is not congealing. In its final state, it will almost certainly be much, much less than initially promised – if only because people’s internet connections can’t support the transfer of massive amounts of world data to the client. Microsoft isn’t the first to over-promise. Ubisoft are masters of that. Valve, of course, is the best/worst. And of course, Molyneaux, well, this sort of thing is named after him. MS needed that exclusive, though. It would really have helped their show.

  8. June 13, 2016 7:00 pm

    Here is some BF1 raw footage. Haven’t even had time to watch it yet. By the way, how was the Ubisoft Keynote?

  9. June 13, 2016 8:23 pm

    So far the impressions of the Microsoft have been pretty positive. I believe this conference served to put the ribbon on the XB1, and pave the way for the future of Xbox.

    The Xbox One S (slim) starts at 299$ for 4K video (digital and UHD bluray player) and HDR support, which is another new “HDTV” feature. This makes is the most inexpensive UHD (4K) blu ray player that you can buy. This is actually a pretty big deal considering we are nearing the end of 1080p screens. They are essentially prepping the XB1 for the future.

    The biggest announcement that affects us NOW is the cross-platform/cross-license games. Pretty much all of the 1st party games announced will come with both PC/XB1 licenses, and your saves and settings bounce between the two. On top of this, they are also enabling cross play (including coop/horde for GOW4).

    The custom controller builder and new controllers are pretty cool. Apparently, the wireless distance on the new controllers (paired with the XB1 S) is double the existing.

    Project Scorpio from a technical perspective will be a big leap from the current generation of consoles. I expect they are going to iterate in smaller jumps on a regular basis from here. I believe they should just call the new console “Xbox” and each new release, just have it be the newest version (similar to iPad, MacBookPro etc). I think this will futher enforce the iterative concept and also restore the (damaged) Xbox brand.

    Sony’s response tonight will be interesting. They have to say “something” but have already said there the PS4 “Neo” wont be at e3. The PS4 is already so slim, they may not put out a PS-Slim. If they do, they will need to simultaneously include an UHD BluRay Player and 4K HDMI support (@ 299$).

    Now, in terms of games during Xbox’s presser, there was almost no time for 3rd party games. The conference was brief and got to the point. Here are the games shown that I am excited about:

    — Gears of War 4. CO-OP and Horde 3.0 should be fun. Maybe they will make MP fun.. probably not.
    — Forza Horizon 3. Beautiful and looks like a lot of fun in the large open world.
    — Minecraft Cross-Plat Stuff (I just bought the Gear VR version).
    — Raam coming to KI (for free?).
    — Indies (Cuphead has new platforming mechanics, Inside, We Happy Few all look cool. DayZ supposedly coming to preview program “soon”. STARDEW VALLEY!).
    — Sea of Thieves looks VERY cool. A good game to roll as a crew.
    — Gwent card game. This could be really fun and a good party chat game. Even if it is just Suns and I playing it :p).
    — Tekken 7. I am still confused about this NOT being Tekken X Street Fighter. At least Akuma from Street Fighter is in the game.
    — Dead Rising 4. Always fun, but NEEDS coop (preferably 4 player).
    — State of Decay 2. At least 4 player coop, but needs persistent online element in order to compete with DR4 above.
    — Halo Wars 2 beta available now. Halo Wars was really fun, so I am expecting the same. Also cross plat on PC would be very cool if they offer it.

    In terms of bad news:

    — Apparently the XB1 controller bluetooth may ONLY enable the controller to be used wirelessly on (Mobile/PC games) and NOT wireless headset… If not, what in the actual fuck is their obsession with wires?
    — Crackdown was MIA and officially confirmed delayed. BUT Microsoft did confirm that is will launch simultaneously on PC, and be an “XBA” (xbox anywhere) game, so cross plat and cross license again.
    — It might be someone’s bag, but I could care less about FF15, Recore or Scalebound. The last two exclusives seeming like misteps if they costed much to have exclusivity.

    In terms of the other conferences:

    — BF1 looks super fun.

    You have to go to about 20 minutes in. Seriously, looks like COD2 meets BC2.
    — A snippet of Mass Effect, which looked really amazing.
    — Ghost Recon had a horrible demo. Could be fun, but they may need to demo that shit.
    — South Park: The Fractured But Hole – Looks super funny and smart.
    — For Honor – Reminds me of Ryse, but the MP element could be interesting.

  10. Average permalink*
    June 13, 2016 8:24 pm

    Hahaha Kenny and 3D

    Couple big interesting items, Xbox anywhere is quite the move

    Scorpio was confusing, same with HDR Xbox S. However the S sounds like a great refresh and I want one, but don’t need one!

    • June 13, 2016 8:33 pm

      The HDR thing was confusing. I researched, and it is a common “feature” on newer TVs (especially 4K).

      Don’t mind Blank, he was at E3 and is still recovering from not getting a XB1 S for free LOL!

      The conference wasn’t full of new games, but frankly most of those are multi-platform now. It was a solid showing of the exclusives coming out in the near future, and a look at where things are going next for Xbox.

  11. June 13, 2016 9:01 pm

    Predictions for Sony:

    — PSVR Stuff
    — Lots of multi plat games demoed on PS (makes sense with largest user base).
    — New Red Dead.
    — Return of some franchises that have been gone since PS3

    —- Exclusives Below (i may be missing some) —-
    — New God OF War opening (old Kratos?). Looks like a completely different game than GOW.
    — The last guardian
    — Days Gone (Zombie) (new IP)
    — Horizon: Zero Dawn
    — Detroit: Qunaity Dream
    — Death Standing (Kojima Game)
    — Spider Man
    — PSVR: RE7, XWING, Batman, Final Fantasy…

    • Average permalink*
      June 14, 2016 6:51 am

      HDR is 4K streaming for Netflix, Hulu and YouTube?

      I tried to find Sony info last night after the conf, the news barely had anything. From a coverage part A+ to MS, Xbox S was plastered everywhere

      Also Scorpio is holiday 2017, that’s a long long way out if PSVR is out in October.

    • June 14, 2016 10:58 am

      The HDR thing applies to games as well. Essentially, you need an HDTV that supports HDR. If your TV does, all content you watch benefits from it. Rod Fergusson kept using the “come play GOW4 in HDR” terminology in his tweets/interviews. From what I have read, this is a new TV feature that adds more dynamic range colors and contrast between black/whites.

      Agreed about the Scorpio being a long way out. PSVR was very prevalent at E3. All this being said, the library is still pretty small and Microsoft will likely “partner” with an existing VR technology, and launch with a larger library of existing VR games.

      [EDIT] = In addition to needing the correct HDMI output and a TV/Monitor that supports HDR, apparently even GPU makers (Nvidia, AMD) have discussed GPUs that support HDR. AMD referenced this as recent as the end of last year. Nice to see the SLIM actually pushing new technology.

    • Herandar permalink
      June 14, 2016 8:50 am

      Totally missed that the S is a UHD player. That is huge, but…

      Well, I started collecting Blu-ray discs this year. ( It’s actually a great time to get Blus, there are a lot of titles that can be found for very cheap (except in Japan, apparently) and a lot of older catalog titles are finally getting Blu releases. But back to the point, Blu-rays are still a niche product. BDs have not supplanted DVDs. The public is fine with upscaled 480 images for their movies. UHD is a niche of a niche. There are only 79 UHD titles currently in the US market, and that’s including UHDs that have been announced but aren’t out yet.

      Yes, this will get a few people to buy a One S, especially since it is now the cheapest UHD player on the market. But the general public won’t care for years about this…

    • June 14, 2016 10:53 am

      I think the problem with bluray is that it was dramatically impacted by HD streaming. DVDs definitely still sell more, but you would be lucky to find an SDTV anywhere.

      I think the purpose was to “future” proof the one. Even if someone is just wanting an HD 4K streaming box, the Xbox One S is very inexpensive. If you plan on buying a new TV in the next 1-2 years it will likely be 4K.

    • Herandar permalink
      June 14, 2016 12:59 pm

      Yeah, you buy an HDTV and a DVD player that can output in 1080, but then still buy DVDs, which max out at 480i in NTSC (576i PAL).

      You are correct that streaming provides a viable HD alternative to BD, but it alone cannot account for the fact that BD is still being outsold 5 to 1 by DVDs in the US. I’m not getting a 4K TV for at least 5 years. When they are $300, I’ll consider them.

    • June 14, 2016 3:19 pm

      Physical Media sales have been on a massive decline in general in the last 5-10 years. The inclusion of a bluray drive was a huge selling factor for the PS3, it essentially made it a system seller (especially once they had their initial price drop). Even though bluray sales were not even close to DVD at the time (nearly a decade ago), the % of consumers who wanted bluray represented a big portion of console sales. The number of people that buy movies represents a lot larger of a pool of consumers compared to those who buy video game consoles, so even a slice of the pie is a big boost.

      In terms of waiting for 4K, that is the normal. But if you were planning on purchasing a new console, you would be more inclined to choose one that would take advantage of the new TV you might purchase down the road. I also think that this aligns the Xbox One to better meet the features/settings that will be available on Xbox Scorpio. They will share the same OS and features (including HDR) so having the 4K support means there will be no differences in OS offerings either.

      This is “the year” of 4K now (for better or worse) , much like the launch of PS3/BluRay was the launch of 1080p into mainstream TV/media.

  12. June 14, 2016 11:49 am

    The search begins now for a 4K, HDR, 60hz monitor. I bet a lot of manufacturers will have budget sets available before the launch of the Scorpio.

    EDIT: It’s a ghost town! It looks like the real consumer HDR monitors won’t even be available until later this year or early 2017. Games have to support it individually as well (forza + gow do currently).

    • Average permalink*
      June 14, 2016 11:54 am

      In still confused. Will the S output 4K for streaming services and blurays but remain HDR for games?

    • June 14, 2016 12:25 pm

      So technically games could run 4k on the XB1 Slim, but they won’t as core performance of the console isn’t changing. Also, HDR is a separate feature from resolution. Generally 4K and HDR are promoted as a pair together with new UHD TVs. HDR is just improved color contrast.

      The “Project Scorpio” however, coming out in 2017, will support 4K games at 60FPS. It will be up to developers though to take advantage of it. For a graphics performance comparison of the Scorpio to the XB1/PS4:

      360: 0.24 TFLOPS
      XB1: 1.23 TFLOPS
      PS4: 1.84 TFLOPS

      This is just the “floating point operations per second” rating of the graphics card. There are other elements that contribute to overall performance, but this gives a good idea of how INSANE 6.0 TFLOPS is. The difference in graphics performance between the 360 and the XB1 is 1 TFLOP.

      Most of this will contribute to 4K gaming (which requires a lot of graphical overhead) as well as VR which is the same situation.

  13. June 14, 2016 12:30 pm

    4 Player COOP confirmed for Dead Rising 4:

    I will be buying a Nintendo NX:

    Really excited for Sea of Thieves:

    State of Decay 2 is ONLY 4 player coop (not persistent or MMO). Tough sell then.

    No content here, but watching twitch streams and they are playing Gears4 coop campaign (different from on stage demo) and it is absolutely gorgeous and actually looks like quick fun cover based shooting. This must have taken too much time to have been the stage demo.

    24? Horde maps coming. Horde will be similar to Gears 2 horde than other titles.

    • June 14, 2016 1:46 pm

      It was officially confirmed when asked that Project Scorpio will not have any exclusives, developers have to develop for all Xbox platforms. Also, Microsoft is officially not making VR hardware, so it will be a partnership.

    • June 14, 2016 5:12 pm

      If you don’t play Legend of Zelda with Ethan, consider your fatherhood cheap.

      From there, you can move on (or back) to Sea of Thieves, BABY! Seriously looks great (and that was my opinion from the beginning). All the rest, including Gears, don’t need, and genuinely do not want to buy at release prices.

    • June 14, 2016 8:59 pm

      “in fact, most of Battlefield 1 at this early stage feels like Bad Company 2, when your options were still open, but every weapon felt distinct.”

  14. June 14, 2016 10:24 pm

    I was going to make a new post, but it isn’t needed. First, great news that BF1 feels like BC2 (a game universally liked here) – thanks for the heads-up, Zos!

    Now, for my favorite games of the show:

    I know that The Blankman hates pirates like some people hate vegetables, but dang, Sea of Thieves is looking and sounding fantastic! It may be the exclusive that Microsoft needs. It certainly brings a touch of Nintendo to the system, but with a community touch. As a mostly low intensity, probably quite humorous community experience, I can’t wait to try it out (thanks Zos, again, for the IGN impressions linked above).

    Second, GWENT! Here is another “low intensity” card game that would be outstanding in a Party chat situation.

    Tycho from Penny Arcade had this to say about his anticipation of the game (such was his love for the mini-game in Witcher). Video here.

    The only thing that kept Gwent from overrunning the world like a malevolent mist, settling into every crevice of the earth and making living creatures its slaves was that you had to pretend to be a magical albino detective for sixty hours before you could really enjoy it.

    BF1 looks to be really good, and I will probably get it, but it isn’t fresh/new like these other experiences. These two above are what I am most excited about right now.

    • June 14, 2016 11:08 pm

      Agreed about Gwent! Should be good. There was more information revealed about clubs as well. Apparently these include several features, including “persistent voice chat”. So anyone who enters the group will be in a voice chat room, and have a bunch of additional features available that help pair them in games. Some future games may include automatic partying etc. The voice chat thing is neat, because it requires no “host”. We could theoretically have a “Rocket League” and “Overwatch” group for example, and jump between those two based on what we were doing.

      Also, there has been a lot of additional xbox games and footage shown at E3 today. Too difficult to compile everything, but its worth a quick look on the usual gaming sites.

      I have been doing some additional digging into the Scorpio, and it has a lot of the typical “tech sites” scratching their heads as to how they are going to provide the performance for a “consumer friendly price”. Also, it was noticed that the board that was shown during the conference had 12 Ram chips. The memory bandwidth quoted during the conference is at minimum ~twice as fast as the memory in the PS4.

      Microsoft played their hand well. They only announced the raw GPU performance (which is also most likely NOT the recent AMD card, but in the card family due to be released next year) at a really high benchmark (as well as the fast memory bandwidth). This means, once Sony tries to eventually counter, they can scale the remainder of specs to further increase the gab between “PS4 Neo” and “XBS”.

      Phil Spencer was also interviewed by The Verge, and indicated that he expects the Xbox One to have full library support of “scorpion” games for a long time. Essentially, until the game can no longer run properly, which will be closer to a normal console cycle if not longer.

      The big question that remains is how an iterative Xbox exists in a world with PC. Microsoft is giving Windows licenses with games, offering cross platform play, and further blending the two environments. Is the Xbox console essentially going to be Window’s version of “Steam Machine”? There is still a mysterious missing element I think that we will hear about this time next year.

  15. June 14, 2016 11:27 pm

    Zos, thank you very much for taking the time to write this up. Will check the sites for the additional games. Very interesting stuff, and agreed 100% about Microsoft’s announcement while holding the specific specs close to their chest. It allows them to trump whatever Sony announces.

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      June 15, 2016 12:50 pm

      Rumor is the PS Neo is so much less powerful then the little MS has leaked that it’s back to the drawing board for Sony.

      Though it’s interesting Sony’s VR experience is out in October and MS doesn’t support it for at least 1 year later, even if it’s twice as powerful that’s a lot of marketing and media “winning” time.

    • June 15, 2016 4:13 pm

      Agreed, Sony has a big advantage to take the VR market, although adaption rate will tell us how that goes.

  16. June 15, 2016 5:00 pm

    Sony on Scorpio:

    “I was surprised by the step of announcing something over a year ahead of time,”

    ^^^Funny coming from the conference where they announced several games that will be lucky to come out in 2 years and 1 (Kojima’s) which likely won’t see the light of day until 2020 lol.

    They aren’t coming right out and saying they will be trying to beat it. In fact, they kind of took a step back saying that Neo will be a”high-end version of a PlayStation 4… rather than a generational shift”.


  17. June 15, 2016 5:02 pm

    Keyboard and Mouse support coming to Xbox One soon. I bet we see it Holiday update end of this year:

    This is another step solidifying the Xbox/Win blending. What this means is that games that offer “cross play” will no longer break into “PC” or “Xbox” (a la Rocket League), but “KB/M or controller”. This would suggest PC players playing with an Xbox controller could also play with other controller players.

    The future of Xbox ecosystem appears:

    Xbox One (and s) >> Xbox Scorpio >> High-End PC

    The specs of the Scorpio are that of a nice gaming computer, and you get the optimizations we see with each console cycle. So the price point will make it attractive to most people who aren’t wanting to drop a fat some on a super high end pc.

    • June 15, 2016 6:01 pm

      Yes, that is my understanding (image) of it. If they are offering k/m support, I hope that they can find a way to optimize the browser and provide proper virus protection so that it can be effective/efficient as a Internet portal (if not an entire word processing PC workstation) in addition to being a game machine. The “Steam Machine” idea is very cool (being that it runs on Linux and has the utility of a computer), and it would be wonderful if Scorpio provided that kind of utility on its hybrid OS10. I would no longer need to buy PCs. Too much to hope for? Boy, I sure would be happy if that were possible. And indeed, if they offered that kind of utility, then I would be willing to pay more than regular console prices.

  18. June 15, 2016 6:19 pm

    Battlefield 1 continues to impress in their game design decisions.

    Increased destruction, no dominating helos, simpler progression for gun/accesssories, a campaign that basically sounds like a form of “Onslaught” which I really enjoyed in BC2, and a new gametype “Operations”. Also, the historical setting is very fresh to me. If my experience with the open beta (assuming I can try it) isn’t just spawn die, it will be very difficult for me to resist.

  19. June 16, 2016 1:15 pm

    Several games added to backwards compat today… INCLUDING LEFT 4 DEAD (1)!!!!!!

  20. June 16, 2016 4:20 pm

    Friday 13th. They ain’t foolin’ around.

    I might not be able to join y’all in this one. Pretty visceral, and I moved on from slashers a while back. The gameplay mechanics look absolutely fantastic! It looks just like the movies.

  21. June 16, 2016 5:49 pm

    Ok, I know I have been absolutely spamming this thread, but you must check out the interview with Phil Spencer from GiantBomb. Its the first interview in the video.

    JeffG knows all the right questions to ask and gets a lot of clarification and unique perspective from him.

    • June 16, 2016 6:01 pm

      Lovin’ the participation and content, Zos! Thank you! Checking it out now.

      PS I will be OS 10 with all the Xbox app goodness here at work in Sept.

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